An interview with Bob Proctor from Networking Times
Magazine
I’ve written
(and said) many times that everything I know about Network Marketing I learned
from somebody else. I love learning and I love learners– those thinking men and
women whose lives are devoted to knowledge. And I’ve never met a learner who
didn’t give more than he got. Such is the case with Bob Proctor—he is a master
student, and more, a master of a teacher.
Since
the following interview is already written down for you, you don’t have to take
notes. But I’d sure recommend reading with a high-lighter in hand. As usual,
when Proctor speaks, leaders listen. Enjoy. — JMF
Robert,
you have an extensive background in corporate America, in teaching and training
those people. What attracted you into Network Marketing?
A
doctor I have tremendous respect for got involved with a Network Marketing
company. It was seeing his picture in a Network Marketing magazine that brought
the industry to my attention and caused me to take a look at it from a totally
different perspective.
What
was the basis of your respect for him?
I’ve
studied the mind for approximately 40 years, and he probably taught me more
about the mind than any other individual. He knows more about the mind than
anyone I’ve ever met, or even read about. He’s not a money guy, he’s involved
in the healing arts, so when I saw his picture attached with this company, I
thought “There has to be something here that I don’t understand.” So I decided
to look into it.
When
I did, my whole perspective of the industry changed. I think I’m like an awful
lot of people in that I didn’t understand it but thought I did. If someone had
asked me to explain Network Marketing, I would have been at a loss to explain
it. And yet, if you had said, “Do you understand it?” I would have said, “Sure”
when the truth is, I didn’t.
I
don’t think I had a negative or positive impression. It was more disinterest
than anything. I often say “I was caught in my own trap.” I have taught in
numerous programs that anything we don’t understand we have a tendency to
criticize and ridicule carelessly.
What
did you find when you started looking?
I
found that, all things being equal—good company, good product—it’s probably the
most moral form of compensation I have ever seen. And I’ve studied a lot of
them. I believe that the whole universe operates in an orderly manner, and
Network Marketing operates more in harmony with the laws of the universe than
any other business I’ve seen. A person truly receives exactly what he’s worth.
No nepotism, no favoritism. I find that rather unusual in the business world.
What
are some of the laws you’re referring to, and how does Network Marketing honor
them?
Well,
for example, the law of cause and effect—which is one of the laws in the
universe—clearly states that energy returns to its source of origination. Or in
more familiar terms, what you sow, you reap. Action and reaction are equal and
opposite. This business is so perfectly aligned with that principle. If a
person puts the effort out, it does come back. People are recognized for their
efforts—recognition is a big part of it, and compensation is a big part of it.
The
people I’ve observed who are successful in this industry truly love what they
are doing. Once they understand the system, away they go—helping others
understand it, too. Keep in mind that there are a lot of people who are not
successful, but that’s their own fault. Another unusual characteristic of
Network Marketing is the seemingly small distance from the bottom to the top.
Can
you say more about that, because a common criticism of this industry, Bob, is
that there are just a few people at the top while most people are struggling?
That
is something that people say, and yet, if you ask them to explain it, they’re
unable to. Again, what we don’t understand we have a tendency to criticize and
ridicule. I was probably guilty of that. I got up and said that I didn’t know
anyone who was earning any money. Well, I really didn’t know that many people
involved in Network Marketing at all. There were passing acquaintances, but I
certainly didn’t know what they were earning.
I’ve
since found out, of course, that there are a lot of people earning great money
in Network Marketing. My wife has been very successful, and she’s having an
awful lot of fun at it. I spend almost all of my time working in this industry
now because I enjoy working with Network Marketers so much. I still do some
work outside, and it’s not that I couldn’t do more; I just don’t really have a
desire to.
Bob,
besides the moral quality that you’ve already spoken about in the structure of
Network Marketing, what other differences do you see between Network Marketing
and a conventional business?
The
difference is like night and day. It’s paradoxical, really—people who do not
understand Network Marketing point at it as a pyramid, when the truth is that
they are probably involved in something that truly is a pyramid!
All
business is shaped like a pyramid, but the difference is that in Network
Marketing,
everybody is at the top of their own pyramid. In corporate America,
that’s not the way it is. A good example of a pyramid is a Canadian bank. There
are only half a dozen banks in Canada, and the people at the top all earn in
the millions, while the teller probably earns $20-25,000 a year, with very
little hope of getting to $35,000.
A
person can sit down and draw her own star, then go and get it in Network
Marketing. On top of that, she’ll get help—in Network Marketing, everyone wants
to help everyone. That isn’t the case outside this business.
In
Network Marketing, a person has the opportunity for expansion and fuller
expression. In other words, his life can continually improve. There seems to be
no end to it. I’ve only been around the industry for a little over three years,
but I’m absolutely fascinated with it. People naturally want to expand and
express and grow—the corporate structure impedes that growth, while Network
Marketing supports it. In fact, it’s to the advantage of the people above you
to help you grow.
Bob,
in looking at the uniqueness of this business, what are some of those
challenges that Network Marketers face?
I
think the biggest challenge a Network Marketer faces is the paradigm shift that
they have to make themselves. Second is learning how to present the opportunity
to someone in such a way that enables that person to make a paradigm shift,
too.
We’re
conditioned genetically; we’re conditioned environmentally. Like the old economy—if
you look at it as the old economy and the new economy. The old economy deals
with competition. I think a good example is if you had a pie, and the pie is
cut up, and you get a piece, I get a piece, maybe six other people get a piece.
If I want more of that pie, I’ve got to outwit, out-market, or out-sell you, or
out-scheme you. For me to have more pie, you’re going to have to have less.
We’re dealing with a limited supply.
In
Network Marketing, which I believe is the distribution system that is ushering
in the new economy, a person is dealing with an infinite supply, which is in
line with spiritual laws. There is no limit. So the person says, “If I want
more pie, I’ll make a bigger pie, and I’ll make you aware of how I am enjoying
more pie, so you can, too.” It is the most phenomenal system, and it just keeps
getting better, because you become more and more aware of the truth of it.
What
kind of difficulties does that present for somebody who, say, came out of a
corporate environment where the rules of the game are different?
I’ll
give you a good example for your readers to try. Question to the readers: are
you right-handed, or left-handed? Okay, now I’m going to ask you to sign your
name. Sign your name on a piece of paper. Now put the pen in your other hand.
Don’t just read this—put your pen in your other hand.
You
can feel the tension building in your body. Your mind reacts to it. You think
“I don’t write with my left hand. This is so uncomfortable. It’s so cumbersome.
I’m going to make such a mess. I’m going to make myself look foolish, and what
will my neighbor say?” We’re not programmed to write with our other hand.
People
are programmed to live a certain way. What we’re saying is change the
programming. It’s like learning a new language. It’s almost as if you go home
and your family doesn’t speak English any longer, but French or Spanish.
Eventually, you would learn what they are saying, but it would be extremely
difficult and very stressful at the beginning.
Can
you speak about the things that need to be reprogrammed, specifically, Bob, or
give us some examples of things?
We
have to begin by understanding ourselves, and improving our self-esteem. We’ve
been raised to be dependent on the corporation, the boss, the company. We’re
programmed to believe that if you go to school, get a good education and a job
in a big company, that you’re safe. Of course everyone knows that that’s not
true. People have been being laid off, downsized, re-engineered, or fired by the
hundreds of thousands—many are walking the street wondering what’s happened.
We’re
living in a new economy. The world has shifted—I believe it’s aligning itself
more with the universal laws. See, there’s a bigger gap today between the haves
and the have-nots than there ever has been before, and it’s getting wider. In a
recent article in the Toronto Daily Star, they pointed out that the top ten
percent of income earners are earning 314 times what the bottom ten percent are
earning. The people on the bottom haven’t even a hope of how to get to the top,
and the old system isn’t going to help them.
Network
Marketing clearly explains how you get to the top. The intellect can understand
that—”I know I can get to the top. Now I’ve got to change that emotional,
conditioned mind of mine.” That’s harder, but people care and want to help you
make the transition. There are some absolutely brilliant people who
intellectually understand it, and yet don’t make it. They don’t make it because
they never get that paradigm changed. I think there has to be more education in
that area. Network Marketing is still new enough that it has not come together
for the development of people yet—and it may not for a few more years. It’s in
an evolutionary state. There has to be more focus on helping the individual
change her subjective conditioning. People have a difficult time grasping it,
so they struggle.
You
see, wealthy people have always had multiple sources of income. I believe that
wealth is a very real part of life—it has to be addressed and understood. A
person cannot live a full life if he doesn’t have any money, because we use
money for things, and we need things for the development of our potential. I
have been teaching people that they must have multiple sources of income if
they are going to accumulate any wealth—not just one source. It won’t work.
The
beautiful part about Network Marketing is you set up multiple sources of income
with each person you bring in. So in a relatively short period of time, I could
have two or three thousand sources of income. It makes a difference in a
person’s life.
Which
speaks to the business of leverage?
Absolutely.
There are three income earning strategies: M1, M2, and M3.
M1
is trading our time for money. Approximately 95 to 96 percent of the population
does that. It has an inherent problem called saturation.
What
do you mean the inherent problem is “saturation”?
You
run out of time. You only have so much time, and if you’re trading your time
for money, you obviously have a ceiling on what you can earn. Doctors are
realizing that today. The doctor has to spend more time to earn less money. So
does a laborer. So does a lawyer—chargeable hours are the most important words
in a lawyer’s vocabulary. That’s the M1 strategy that school teaches us and
that we’ve observed our parents’ involvement with, for the most part.
If
a person becomes wealthy on the M1 strategy, it’s at the expense of a life.
They’ve compromised on the car they drive, the home that they live in, the
vacations they take, the school they give their kids, the clothes they wear,
because they need the money to live.
M2
is an excellent strategy—investing money to earn money. Those who understand it
know that leverage is a great way to work the M2 strategy. There’re only three
people out of 100, though, who understand, and some of those aren’t very good
at it.
Now,
M3 is, without question, the strategy that wealthy people have always used.
It’s a strategy of leverage. Approximately one percent of the population uses
this strategy, but they earn around 96 percent of all the money that is earned.
M3 is multiplying your time through the efforts of others, by setting up
multiple sources of income. It’s a phenomenal strategy, and Network Marketing
is tuned into it.
Earning
money has absolutely nothing to do with work. This is the real paradox.
Say
more about that, please.
Napoleon
Hill, who probably taught us as much about earning money and wealthy people as
anyone, said, “If you are one of those people who believes that hard work and
honesty alone will bring riches, perish the thought, because it’s not true.
Riches come, if they come at all, in response to definite demands, based upon
the application of definite principles, and not by chance or luck.”
Now,
let’s take what he’s saying and relate it to Network Marketing—”Riches come, if
they come at all, in response to definite demands based upon the application of
definite principles, and not by chance or luck.” Is there a demand for someone
who can show that 96 percent, the people who are feverishly involved in a
losing proposition in the M1 income earning strategy, how to move to M3?
Is
there a demand for someone to show an individual how to close the gap between
the haves and the have-nots?
I
think there’s a screaming demand for it, and it’s something that Network
Marketing does. We show them how to close the gap. We show them how to spend
their days doing the things that they really love doing, and at the same time,
earn the amount of money they need to live the way they choose to live.
I
don’t think we’re made for work, I believe that work is made for us. I work
every day, but I never look at it as work, because I absolutely love what I’m
doing. I find it amusing that I get paid so well at times. I would do it for
nothing, because I absolutely love it. Love is harmony—it’s when your conscious
mind, your sub-conscious, and your body are all in sync, and you truly love
what you’re doing.
Are
you willing to talk to me about the role of love in Network Marketing?
Sure—that’s
a subject that people should spend a little more time with. I see love as
resonance. It’s harmony. People who are in love with helping people are huge
winners. You see that proven in Network Marketing all the time—the big winners
in Network Marketing love watching a person wake up. They love watching them
win.
I
watched a couple being recognized recently—they stood before the audience and
said that they had been married for 13 years, and got a divorce. They stayed in
touch because of the kids. One of them got involved in a Network Marketing
company and got the other one involved, too. It ended up bringing them back
together—after three and a half years apart. They’re happily married again now.
Those people love what they’re doing, they love each other, and they love
helping other people. And who do you think likely received the greatest reward,
the most satisfaction? The person who sponsored them. That’s the biggest reward
for people—helping others win.
To
Your Success!

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